Hi I have email web hosting two div tag into another div tag where the inner div becomes displayed above the other an has a fixed

Because people like to use old shitty software and create more work for us.

Because until recently icab didn't have a free-to-use version.

iCab?

and if DeCloaK has gone, maybe someone else can look at http://nero.netwalk.org/~debonair/example.html

What about Safari?

which meant the only way to get a better browser was to buy icab or buy a new computer

While I've never been fond of Safari, it beats the hell out of IE Mac

Safari needs OS X. OS X needs a newer mac than these folk have.

Ahhh

my father was using ie mac until a couple months ago, when i discovered icab now had a free version and foisted it on him

Can't they still run Opera or Firefox?

Opera and Firefox don't work on Mac OS Classic?

not current versions no
really old buggy versions of Opera and Moz? yes

any idea?

That's a bit dodgy

Maybe MSIE isn't so bad, really. At least it's reliable, in all its suckitude.

iCab is best for OS 9 imho

Mozilla, Firebird, Firefox, Mozilla Blabla, 100 different versions of Opera, Netscapes, etc...
They changed so much.

(nero.netwalk....) HTML: Failed (2 errors, see http://tinyurl.com/3bxrgp ) | CSS: Valid ( http://tinyurl.com/ywquh8 ) | DOCTYPE: NO DOCTYPE | (MIME: text/html)

a) you have HTML errors and no doctype. That needs to be fixed. b) i don't know what your problemm is
I suggest validating to html hosting 4.01 Strict

I made an experiment yesterday in Firefox. It reports "strict mode" whenever a doctype is present, no matter how shitty the code is, and "quirks mode" whenever there is no doctype, no matter how correct the code is otherwise. :|

the text explains what I'm trying to do
and I don't care about the validation becase this is only a snippet of the code

http://diveintomark.org/archives/2003/05/05/why_we_wont_help_you
write usable test cases

well, I don't have a problem nor a test case, because I don't know how to dit
do it

what are you trying to do

floating left is one way
http://css.maxdesign.com.au/floatutorial/

better/worse?

trying to make some text stay to the top left of a textarea. not in it, but outside next to it
tried to describe it here: http://nero.netwalk.org/~debonair/example.html
which really isn't an example... guess the name of the doc is misleading
it's a description

Some doctypes do trigger quirks mode. Validation errors don't usually -- browsers don't care run a validator (well, except icab)

ok. will try something with floating left

is semantically correct

is good.

although I have no idea how to begin if I should use a div or what

element for that.

Hum.

you should use a label

It's not really for emphasis, just... highlight. Bleh.

ok, thanks

be?

see http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/interact/forms.html and http://www.webaim.org/techniques/forms/

The fact that browsers have been forced to become so smart at guessing makes it feel less useful to code correctly (although I won't ever start doing quirks shit), and seems to make browser makers cynical and not really care for the strict mode. :|

in css file .textarea { float: left; display: inline; }

only use id and for attributes to associate the two
there's no association whatsoever in that

yea I left all that out sorry

label for="foo"my label/labeltextarea id="foo" name="foobar"/textarea
where foo should be unique in the document
sorry id="foo" should be unique

http://ciscavate.org/data/csstest/test.html
I'm trying to get the rightContent div to be vertically aligned with the main panel, and have the mainPanel div fill the center of the page

move rightContent before mainpanel, and float rightContent right

awesome, thanks!

if you don't want maincontent to flow under rightContent, set a width on rightContent and add a margin-right on mainPanel equal to that

ends, but for some reason it seems to stop after the div id="top"... Any ideas?

(Seems to look fine in IE, but not FF... which is a first...)

MATTMCC IS A RAPIST * * * MATTMCC IS A RAPIST * * * MATTMCC IS A RAPIST * * * MATTMCC IS A RAPIST * * * MATTMCC IS A RAPIST * * * MATTMCC IS A RAPIST * * * MATTMCC IS A RAPIST * * *
uMATTMCC IS A RAPIST * * * MATTMCC IS A RAPIST * * * MATTMCC IS A RAPIST * * * MATTMCC IS A RAPIST * * * MATTMCC IS A RAPIST * * * MATTMCC IS A RAPIST * * * MATTMCC IS A RAPIST * * * /u
buMATTMCC IS A RAPIST * * * MATTMCC IS A RAPIST * * * MATTMCC IS A RAPIST * * * MATTMCC IS A RAPIST * * * MATTMCC IS A RAPIST * * * MATTMCC IS A RAPIST * * * MATTMCC IS A RAPIST * * * /u/b
MATTMCC IS A RAPIST * * * MATTMCC IS A RAPIST * * * MATTMCC IS A RAPIST * * * MATTMCC IS A RAPIST * * * MATTMCC IS A RAPIST * * * MATTMCC IS A RAPIST * * * MATTMCC IS A RAPIST * * *
MATTMCC IS A RAPIST * * * MATTMCC IS A RAPIST * * * MATTMCC IS A RAPIST * * * MATTMCC IS A RAPIST * * * MATTMCC IS A RAPIST * * * MATTMCC IS A RAPIST * * * MATTMCC IS A RAPIST * * *

wtf?

MATTMCC IS A RAPIST * * * MATTMCC IS A RAPIST * * * MATTMCC IS A RAPIST * * * MATTMCC IS A RAPIST * * * MATTMCC IS A RAPIST * * * MATTMCC IS A RAPIST * * * MATTMCC IS A RAPIST * * *
MATTMCC IS A RAPIST * * * MATTMCC IS A RAPIST * * * MATTMCC IS A RAPIST * * * MATTMCC IS A RAPIST * * * MATTMCC IS A RAPIST * * * MATTMCC IS A RAPIST * * * MATTMCC IS A RAPIST * * *

Righto.. how very relevant to CSS.

wonder who mattmcc is

lemme just go ahead and ddos him

gimme a sec

rebarbar... we get the point.

MATTMCC IS A RAPIST * * * MATTMCC IS A RAPIST * * * MATTMCC IS A RAPIST * * * MATTMCC IS A RAPIST * * * MATTMCC IS A RAPIST * * * MATTMCC IS A RAPIST * * * MATTMCC IS A RAPIST * * *
bMATTMCC IS A RAPIST * * * MATTMCC IS A RAPIST * * * MATTMCC IS A RAPIST * * * MATTMCC IS A RAPIST * * * MATTMCC IS A RAPIST * * * MATTMCC IS A RAPIST * * * MATTMCC IS A RAPIST * * * /b

yo rebarbar stfu a sec

MATTMCC IS A RAPIST * * * MATTMCC IS A RAPIST * * * MATTMCC IS A RAPIST * * * MATTMCC IS A RAPIST * * * MATTMCC IS A RAPIST * * * MATTMCC IS A RAPIST * * * MATTMCC IS A RAPIST * * *
uMATTMCC IS A RAPIST * * * MATTMCC IS A RAPIST * * * MATTMCC IS A RAPIST * * * MATTMCC IS A RAPIST * * * MATTMCC IS A RAPIST * * * MATTMCC IS A RAPIST * * * MATTMCC IS A RAPIST * * * /u

anyone with ops kick rebarbar

i got a little surprise for you

nah its cool he'll be offline in a second

wow
this has got to stop

Zoffix
doc
someone
.

sec

im taking care of it
one min

cool

right then

FINE
mattmcc_is_a_rapist { font-weight: bold; }
happy?
he's in #web

hey

and he's a rapist

rebarbar

please do
c-71-193-166-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net
lol
me?
offline?
yeah, ok, good luck!
I'm still here.
Why not ddos the rapist?

okay, he is a rapist ,cool.

Because the rapist isn't fujcking annoying.

please leave now.

no
MATTMCC IS A RAPIST * * * MATTMCC IS A RAPIST * * * MATTMCC IS A RAPIST * * * MATTMCC IS A RAPIST * * * MATTMCC IS A RAPIST * * * MATTMCC IS A RAPIST * * * MATTMCC IS A RAPIST * * *
bMATTMCC IS A RAPIST * * * MATTMCC IS A RAPIST * * * MATTMCC IS A RAPIST * * * MATTMCC IS A RAPIST * * * MATTMCC IS A RAPIST * * * MATTMCC IS A RAPIST * * * MATTMCC IS A RAPIST * * * /b

fine then
sec

MATTMCC IS A RAPIST * * * MATTMCC IS A RAPIST * * * MATTMCC IS A RAPIST * * * MATTMCC IS A RAPIST * * * MATTMCC IS A RAPIST * * * MATTMCC IS A RAPIST * * * MATTMCC IS A RAPIST * * *

he was just spamming #web and got banned...so I guess this is second choice

yeah

MATTMCC IS A RAPIST * * * MATTMCC IS A RAPIST * * * MATTMCC IS A RAPIST * * * MATTMCC IS A RAPIST * * * MATTMCC IS A RAPIST * * * MATTMCC IS A RAPIST * * * MATTMCC IS A RAPIST * * *
bMATTMCC IS A RAPIST * * * MATTMCC IS A RAPIST * * * MATTMCC IS A RAPIST * * * MATTMCC IS A RAPIST * * * MATTMCC IS A RAPIST * * * MATTMCC IS A RAPIST * * * MATTMCC IS A RAPIST * * * /b
bbMATTMCC IS A RAPIST * * * MATTMCC IS A RAPIST * * * MATTMCC IS A RAPIST * * * MATTMCC IS A RAPIST * * * MATTMCC IS A RAPIST * * * MATTMCC IS A RAPIST * * * MATTMCC IS A RAPIST * * * /b/b

is there an #abuse on this network?

there's #freenode

its been reported in freenode

doc|work, you around? :/

hmm

preaction, maybe you

ooh, ok

well thats a shame

my dns's nameservers are still updating

arg, the one time when you need an op they're not around.

although i'm not sure why they are updating in the first place
this is really suspicous... brb

rofl

Hurray

thx

K-line: when you absolutely positively have to kill annoying mother fuckers on irc, accept no substitute.

if I have div class="cl1"div class="cl2"div class="cl3" /div/div/div, .cl1 .cl3 { ... } should match the inner div, right? Or does it have to explicitly be a child of cl1?

wow that was strange for freenode...I saw the spam and had to double check if this was freenode

As in, no cl2

the channels I ever go to on freenode seem to be pretty clean
.
in terms of bullshit

it's a descendant selector, so no.

.cl3

and IE6 (can't remember about IE7) doesn't support that

Ah, thanks.

it did work btw. thanks much

excellent, and you're welcome

everything was working great with this layout 'till I set a margin-top on the .content divs (everything that's outlined here: http://ciscavate.org/data/csstest/test.html) rightContent should be inline with mainPanel
is there some weird nesting effect I'm not aware of going on? (or something about floats?)

Hi. I have two div tag into another div tag, where the inner div becomes displayed above the other an has a fixed height. Now the second div should take the remeining space within the parent div. how can i do that?

mattmcc is a rapist.

you're on it

mattmcc is a rapist.

stop please.

lawl
no
why would I stop?
especially if you ask me?
what do I look like, your slave?

I'm losing faith in the human race here
.

losing?
I lost mine years ago

lol, I'm an optimist...sue me

things on irc are not human

K-lined! yay.

yeah they are...they're humans when you take away the risk of physical confrontation and reputation

hey peolpe
*people

on http://www.healingsociety.com/index-new.html I want the "Chun By Kyung Meditation Journal" text to line up on the left (the second line isn't indented), any hints?

it's because you don't understand inline elements
http://www.maxdesign.com.au/presentation/inline/

actually, it's the floated image

read the link
the a is inline
the padding-left only applied a the beginning
at*

and I'd like my help without the demonic hatred, thanks

lol what hatred
¬_¬

your on the wrong irc network then

rofl

all help here is given with a dose of "tough love"

frb-work, add the margin to the floated image's a tag

language channels are nicer than the linux ones though

remove the padding on the text's a

if i recall you were giving me some hatred yesterday frb-work , and it was when I was asking for some help because Internet Explorer was displaying my site wrong
uif i recall you were giving me some hatred yesterday frb-work , and it was when I was asking for some help because Internet Explorer was displaying my site wrong/u

I only show hatred to people who bitch that it's IE's fault

and it was IE's fault.

heh I didn't give any hatred...I just stated the facts bluntly
when you're my employer, I'll soften the blow
:P
until then...
:P

I will say thank you, but you get no bacon

lol

hahaha

ok, now that that is fixed, the rest is just tweaking margins, padding and a couple background positions

nice site
is it a POC or is it staying static?

block, then migrating to an external css file

POC?

proof of concept

oh, I'm just converting the real page
the original is a nasty mess of nested tables
so I'm converting to valid html/css before doing some SEO concepts on it

haha I can see you had fun

the valid version is still busted in IE though

or rather, have a lot of fun ahead

but I can fix it

anyone help me out, I'm trying to find a fix for the navigation on the right, if you hover over the links, there is a 1px gap, also for the last bottom link, looks funny without the border --- http://blog.drummingsystem.com/ods1
thanks
oops, in internet explorer (when you hover) you see the 1px gap

is it possible to combine a label with a text field so that the text field will expand to fill available space while staying vertically aligned with the label?

styling form elements is a losing battle

Teknine, set the line-height of the li
and it should go away
if you use web developer toolbar
yous ee the a tags don't cover the whole of the li
you see*
give the li line-height: 20px; and it should go away
*should*
no guarantees
:P

cool thanks, what could I do to fix the last link?

what's wrong with it
you want to give it a borer?

any ideas, as it's kinda odd looking floating there without a border, if I add a border and the content on the left is less then the size of the nav.. then the borders will intercept and it will look like a thick 2px border where the bottom of the nav is

give them all both top and bottom borders
and set border-collapse
to collapse
dunno if it works for stuff that isn't tables
umm I think you'd set the ul as display table and set border collapse on it
or something

sometimes I really hate the box model

hmmm, but adding a top and bottom border , wont the top border mess up my category titles (gradient title bar) wont the borders intercept there?
or sorry overlap*

yikes, my dad is really into using video..
He wants to imbed video in email, and everywhere... He says it's the next 'big thing'.

there's a site that does that

there's a site that does everything
doesn't make it not a stupid idea
.

yeah, he was at this site and he wants to use it to send video through email with it..

I don't think it's a good idea, but he really likes video/flash.

he likes viruses too?

hahaha

what?
what does viruses have anything to do with video?

in order to view media in email, you have to enable many stupid things in the client that open you to other vulnerabilities

Teknine, a better solution might be to give the li both top and bottom borders and then give them a negative bottom margin the side of the border
so they overlap into one border
size*
borders don't count with hover so it shouldn't cause any problems
and you don't have to worry about browsers supporting table display property
properly
you might have to set z-index on hover though to make the top border visible

grrr
lol
thanks

it will probably work, it's definitely not a nice way of doing it?

you only close tags you opened

b, i, and u are all deprecated

User entry is involved. Unfortunately, in a list, if one user doesn't close a tag it trails into all posts after it.

actually, all of those are

frb-work: Apparently b and i aren't. u is though
Don't ask me why, someone else in here told me that

Jimicon, just check for close tags for each open tag when you parse the post
if you really want the trouble of supporting html tags
.

just give them tinyMCE or something

Was hoping for an easier way, but oh well.
frb-work: This is too simple to require something like that.

well logically it's part of validation

Anyone ever tried to style input type=file? I've seen ways to do it with css and js(quirksmode). Anyone ever done this and know if it's worth the effort or will it give a lot of problems throughout browsers?

sounds pretty difficult to me if you're dealing with parsing it already
it's not worth the effort

hello
im trying to modify a wordpress theme by substituting my flash movie for the authors image...
#page {
url(/wp-content/uploads/screenofhotel.jpg) no-repeat center top;
but I want to put my movie in instead

I generally have the policy of leaving browsers/the user's OS to draw widgets when I can
maybe a submit button...

is there some way to do this

I'd rather just stick to background-color though if I really need _some_ styling
.

i understand that you can not imbed a flash movie in a background
but i have heard it suggested that there is some way with a div tag

this is #css

not worth it because of browser compatibility?

you want a html channel

anyone who can help i would be grateful

styling form elements is a losing battle, Especially file

bob3000, this is #css
your question is not about css

#page {
url(/wp-content/uploads/screenofhotel.jpg) no-repeat center top;
that is css isnt it?

try a html orientated channel
no it's not...you want to replace content

oh okie doke

content is not css

sorry

a flash animation is an object and thus is content

I just use the deconcept flash object thing, whatever it's called these days

sorry t btie your head off
.
bite*

]flash

http://blog.deconcept.com/swfobject/ http://reisio.com/examples/flash/ http://alistapart.com/articles/flashembedcagematch

but making flash a background is impossible

anyone know why margin doesn't work with table cells

yes but i have heard that it might be possible to fix it up with a div tag

on many browsers, objects are brought to front, and you can't overlay them

a div tag is html

yes

like I keep saying

understood

even if you give said div a negative z-index, it's brought to the front, and you can't reach the objects

maybe frb-work will help you anyways

what he wants is impossible, end of story

yeah but he'd just want to remove the said element with a background image and replace it with an object
which is why I told him to go to a html host channel
.
I don't think what he wants is an actual background
just something there instead of it
with nothing over it?

yes

what's the point of that? just give the object a background image
then if the object can't load, you see the image, if the object does load, it covers it

i just dont know what to do
can you be more specific

yeah I guess it is a pain. My client wants the input file's styled but the solutions I've seen out there look hacky, I'll just go with a styled one for supported browsers and fall back on normal input file's on others. tnx

bob3000, go to
#html

just responding

solving flash problems in a css channel is a bit...
sorry

just say "it can't be done, the browsers disable it so that you can't cover up the fact that it's a file input"

you can take the file path from the input and create your own file list though

you still need to expose the actual browse button

yeah
you should have a god complex anyway
shouldn't*
it's still just a web document, it's not an application and widgets aren't its job

yeah I'll try that first here's the best thing I've seen so far to style the input file http://www.quirksmode.org/dom/inputfile.html

what i don't get is why they don't just style it as if it was a text input next to a button

hola
can someone please take a look at this in firefox and tell me why half of the banner at the top is down just a little - http://realfishing.com/new/
but it looks fine in ie

I guess it's because with that solution using a normal button it won't respond as a normal button, with a downstate. you are clicking the overlaying browse buttin with 0 opacity

eh
i mean why don't the _browsers_ just apply the styles that input[type=text] and input[type=button] get, to the components of the file box

(realfishing.c...) HTML: Valid ( http://tinyurl.com/27vk6g ) | CSS: Valid [78 warnings] ( http://tinyurl.com/2j7ku4 ) | DOCTYPE: HTML 4.01 Strict + url | (MIME: text/html, text/html; charset=iso-8859-1)

why is it 2 images anyway?

I had to split it somwhere

no you don't

compliant browsers would

visible;

background-position: top left;

thanks

browsers have _vast_ latitude in how they style form inputs

wait... file box? as in input type=file ?
no, I wouldn't see them applying styles to that with the selectors you mentioned, though I can see why one might think they would

didn't work
weird
ohh
it might be the form

incidentally, why isn't there a way to select table cells by what column they're in

owh like that, I'm all for that. Hope it'll be something for later browser version but I guess it's not high priority

Does anyone know a good web 2.0 template vendor?

Cotton-swab: defined "web 2.0"
-d

how would a template be "web 2.0"
you just mean good designs?
=_=

ok, does anyone know any good temple?

Random, you can using the adjacent selector

"web 2.0" means anything you want it to
huh?

Specifically for web hosting

element

td + td is the second column and every column after it
td + td + td
would be 3rd

i mean

so now you have 2nd column different and 3rd column different

your solution wouldn't even account for colspans - since it's the Nth td element
not the column

-- total newbie at css, I am trying to design a page but I have run into "some" trouble. Someone care to help? This is the curent catastrofi http://hem.bredband.net/isobelll/gray/index.html

web 1.0 templates are so old

and what if you have eighteen columns?

well you didn't say colspans

i said columns :P being in the right column, not the nth cell in the row, isn't what i said

(hem.bredband....) HTML: Validator Error (see http://tinyurl.com/2se8ty ) | CSS: Failed (3 errors, see http://tinyurl.com/39j3vh ) [4 warnings] | 452 non-whitespace chars found before doctype DOCTYPE: HTML 4.01 Strict | (MIME: text/html)

I gave you "a" way
you could figure out other ways based on the specific table
I'm not even sure if css should be able to select cells like that

yeah... "web 2.0" being a marketing term isn't bound by normal language... it doesn't have to be "web" related, or "2.0" at all...
like the marketing ideas of "unlimited" ... and their odd little notion that "broadband" means "high speed"

why not?

and all cells in that column are styled as right-aligned

because the presentation of a table, going as deep as to cells can be though of as a function of content...
CAN be
I haven't thought that deeply
just a feeling :P
for tables anyways

or can someone point me in the right direction for chat help?

]css text-align

css text-align: http://w3.org/TR/CSS21/text.html#propdef-text-align

as in help using IRC?

um... wtf

actually I suppose the col class thing makes sense

that's not content - presentation is presentation no matter how detailed it is

meh

ends, but for some reason it seems to stop after the div id="top"... Any ideas?

that's like saying that an id selector makes no sense, since going as deep as to a single element is a function of content

(Seems to look fine in IE, but not FF... which is a first...)

just about anything at this point

both of your sub-elements are floats, aren't they?

I believe so, yes.
So should I add... some kind of div... or something?

both, after them

Ahh

that might do it anyway

Okay nice, give me a few mins I'll try it out

and don't use pixels :P

the css looks like this: http://hem.bredband.net/isobelll/gray/style1.css

You gotta love my text D:

and if you're using a pixel-based layout, why not just use position:absolute?

Random, who says presentation can never be part of the content

I could have used lorem ipsum

for example colour coded cells in a table with a key

i don't see why it has to be

Oh but yeah.. anyway... position:absolute? pixel-based layout?

right.
the cells would have classes

Yeah... This layout is very exact

and the key would be a table with cells of the same class to demonstrate
why not make it an em-based layout
everything in ems

Hmm
Instead of divs? That's totally insane D:

um, no
instead of px
em is a unit

meaning the height of the font size

Yeah but I love pixels

can a z-index be negative?

or use percent

Hmm

by default

point taken Random, I just had a feeling that presentation on a table is a lot closer to content than normal

that's what is happening here...

well can be

well, the classes are semantics, not presentation per se

I'm actually surprised I've got this far... Last layout I made, I spent 5 hours trying to get the thing to use DIVs, before scrapping the whole thing and using tables D:

and you decide e.g. whether headings are bold or underlined
in the style

If I asked really, really nicely, would any of you fine people help me get a Shockwave menu bar to validate as XHTML 1.0 Strict? Pleeeeease?

and what to make totals styled as, etc

problem is that when it's not negative, it draws on top of everything else, even divs witha higher z-index.
it's weird

Hmm... twidget: I think I may have found a link for you

what are you trying to do?

at0miku, I'm thankful for anything

http://www.dgx.cz/trine/item/how-to-correctly-insert-a-flash-into-xhtml -- I suppose that works for shockwave too

The first div in my markup is 100% width and 600px high and is meant to sit behind all the other content

at0miku, bookmarked, thank you

when it's -1, Safari displays it nicely, but Firefox displays it right (which sucks)

what kind of element is this?
i take it it's not a div?

a div

eh?
oh, wait...
is it a sibling of the other divs with the higher z-index?

it has an x-repeating background image

elements stack within their parents, i think

nope, the div is closed off

closed off?
what do you mean
it has a parent div?
http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/Understanding_CSS_z-index:The_stacking_context

so it'd be like bodydiv id="gradient"/divdiv... rest of the content

You're welcome Glad I could be a help to you. (Although next time I suggest googling :P That's what I did and I got a nice result after 3 seconds of searching)

it's just meant to sit there by itself and not get in the way

well, yeah, but you guys know all the neat tricks

why not just set the background on the body?
or the html element

because it's a gradient that only gets used once at the top of the page

wait

and it merges in with the body's background image

huh?
i'm not sure i understand

http://www.devour.info/aurora3/index.html
this is the page with the div set to -1
so if you use a compliant browser you won't see it
check it out and I'll set the z-index to 0 and show you what it is doing

what's it supposed to look like? can you post a screenshot of what you want it to look like?

sure

ok, i see it
http://www.devour.info/aurora3/images/glow5.png - why is this an image and not a background?
it's on top of the text
so i can't select the text

http://www.devour.info/aurora3/index.html

i don't see anythinf different

it will become an image hosting in a little while... I was just playing with it

post a screenshot of what you want it to look like

okay, will do

did you read the article i linked ?http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/Understanding_CSS_z-index:The_stacking_context

If I want to have a div wrapping 3 30% wide divs that are floated left, how can I give the wrapper a background and the inner divs a different background. I can't seem to do it
http://bloggingmeta.com/liquid-3-col/faux-3-col-liquid.htm

http://www.devour.info/aurora3/images/what_I_want.jpg and http://www.devour.info/aurora3/images/what_I_get.jpg

why do you want 3 30% wide divs?

just loaded up the moz dev article now

why not use multiple columns, and browsers that don't support it will degrade gracefully

Random, I don't follow

and you'd be guaranteed the third one doesn't get shoved onto the next line
also make sure to set background colors when you set background images
so that if the user doesn't load the image it still looks ok

well, I'm just trying colors
the wrapper in the demo site is supposed to be a black background for the wrapper, and white for the inside divs
but the wrapper "wrapping"
wrapper isn't "wrapping" I should say

well i was referring to your header
which seems to have an image but no color for the bg, so it flickered when i loaded

ah, yeah, I might have dropped some code
sorry
I'm referring to the three columns below the main content in the center column

those are the ones i think you should use column-count/-moz-column-count etc for, not floated divs
those are the ones i think you should use column-count/-moz-column-count etc for, not floated divs

hrm, javascript
yeah, that wouldn't work, as they classes might be dynamically driven, and thus have to be an unordered list

thanks for the help, Random

?
what do you mean
if it's intended to be columns of text
have it as a div. with css3 columns

each column will be dynamically served with content/text. What I just read, I don't see how that could be achieved. I would certainly have to do much more reading though to fully grasp the CSS3 concepts of it

oh - i thought it was supposed to be like columns on a page that just flow from one to the next

hmm. perhaps I need to define a width...

what i meant by the third one being shoved off
think about why it's 30% and not 33%

well, I set it at 30% to account for a fixed right margin

my point is it's not a third, exactly, it's 30% and there's other stuff taking up the rest, that doesn't scale when the font scales

sure. and eventually I'd like to address that by doing a elastic design, so that things scaled in ems and not %
but for the time being, I'd really like each column to have a white background, and the whole section have a darker background
and for the life of me, I can't figure out why it won't do that

what code are you trying?

http://bloggingmeta.com/liquid-3-col/faux-3-col-liquid.htm Note: if I add an h2 tag above the columns, it gets the wrapper style

oh, wait
you have the same problem
you need something to clear the floats

after them

actually
maybe
#cellwrap::after { clear: both } might work

hi guys
got some standart problem

and now you didn't set a background on the cells

but i dunno where to look for solution
http://innonesen.se/test/l-6/

Random thank you, I will now be able to sleep tonight

in IE tooltip happens to be UNDER nex element
as i said .. common absolute-relative-absolute problem
any solutions
?
@

(innonesen.se/...) HTML: Failed (13 errors, see http://tinyurl.com/2wj8to ) | CSS: Valid [5 warnings] ( http://tinyurl.com/2ucan5 ) | 1 xml tags found before doctype DOCTYPE: XHTML 1.0 Strict + url | (MIME: text/html; charset=UTF-8, text/html; charset=utf-8)

@oh

http://testing.four-oh.com/ now validates both CSS and XHTML 1.0 Strict (thanks again to at0miku). It looks fine (so far) in Firefox and Safari, but IE7 centers what should be the left column. http://paste.css-standards.org/16165

I have two div tag into another div tag, where the inner div becomes displayed above the other an has a fixed height. Now the second div should take the remeining space within the parent div. how can i do that?

Random I fixed the background color, one too many "undos" , now some tweaking of the marign/padding, and I'm good to go, again, thanks. I'll have to read up and refresh myself on that issue
twidget

miklb!

@http://innonesen.se/test/l-6/

(innonesen.se/...) HTML: Valid ( http://tinyurl.com/2wj8to ) | CSS: Valid [5 warnings] ( http://tinyurl.com/2ucan5 ) | 1 xml tags found before doctype DOCTYPE: XHTML 1.0 Strict + url | (MIME: text/html; charset=UTF-8, text/html; charset=utf-8)

help a wordpresser out?

I can try, even if you are a WP user

what, too good for me now?

gonna be around a bit, need to run to market before it closes
twidget just kidding. I pay my bills with WP, it's all good

why doy ou want xhtml?
xhtml is stupid.
unless you maintain a separate version for browsers that can't handle it

WordPress doesn't handle HTML 4 very well
so, I do XHTML

why doesn't it?

the core doesn't, I tried
I suppose I could have hard-coded it into the theme, but I chose not to

Random, it's a LONG story

XHTML isn't stupid... it's just not supported by IE

i hate to break the dialog

FunkyBob, there's a lot of debate about serving XHTML as text/html

could that be my IE problem?

twidget I promise to look at it when I get back from the market

sure, anything is appreciated

twidget, no, you are serving as text/html, so XHTML isn't this issue

20 minutes, tops

I wonder if adding the sidebar might fix it?

guys , could someone take a look on http://innonesen.se/test/l-6/ in IE6 , here is a glitch in positioning .. maybe someone knows solution for this

is it possible to do something like
background: url(../img/leftfill.jpg);
url(../img/firstthings.jpg) center no-repeat;

both?

not on one element
its css3 ,
so its unsupported but each every browser out there

ahh so no way possible

you will have to use two elements
one inside other

yes but i have an element outside of the filling right
so the left just overwrites the right

wait ill pastebin what i have

.. or i misunderstood

http://css.pastebin.com/929315
there is an image which is centered, and has a slight gradient. So i want left side to be one colour and right side to be another

transparent url(something) left center no-repeat

in which part ?

transparent url(something-else) right center no-repeat
and so one
*on
hmm .. Random maye you can help me ?

maybe

http://innonesen.se/test/l-6/ in IE6
it sux .. bigtime

twidget still there?
twidget ???

i need a div with the height of 100% - 120px how can i du this?

i don't have ie6
i'm on a mac

does the title tag not work on images in IE

VirtualBox ftw!!!

what do you mean not work?
.

I dont see any tooltip poping up
only on text

im not sure but try {height: 100%;margin-bottom: 120px;}

tooltips aren't required behaviour

that just move the entire blocke 120px above and idn't makes it smaller

title tag

in ie the alt pops up ina tooltip for images

for anchors
on text and images
the images are not giving me anything in IE7
on mine at least..

not even alt?

yeah alts work
but thats not what alts are for
only stupid IE developers think so

I think only alt comes up in a tooltip for images
for ie
hahaha

god..
does it ever end

that alt-tags become displayed as tooltips in ie is actually a bug.

yeah it's pretty stupid

the develpers are bugs

alt text in a tooltip
rofl

yeah, sell all of your IE clients on making their visitors use FF or Safari :p

I wish they would just crawl in a whole and stay there

haha we'd all be better off, but there's a reason why reality sucks

haha yeah I think I should have a ff promo on every site

heh spread firefox wasn't enough

or browse happy, or ....

it has spread quite a bit in the last few years thank god

we need the rename iexplorer.exe campaign
:P

twidget....

I love watching IEs percentages in my stats constantly drop

lol dspDrew, you have too much free time

haha
indeed

at least I like watching IE 7 rise...

i watch it in real time

lol at least tell me the site makes money

oh hell yeah
about 20 cents a day
im rollin in the doe

hah
gross?
or net?

haha net
gross I meen
yeah thats it

lol

well I gotta get back to watching my stats
later

I'd liek to meet someone who actually makes a profit that doesn't go back into the site
let alone your precious 20 cents
:P
cya

miklb, I'm back, I ran out to get some chips and queso

heh, food

a late, semi-dinner

A, I think your problem is you are still using kubrick as a basis
B, you are not floating the narrowcolumn, nor or you filling the rest of the content wrapper

I am not using Kubrick as a basis
except for the loop

well, you use "narrowcolumn", and "widecolumn"

well, that too

0 auto

well, it turns out there won't be a widecolumn

for the narrowcolumn

tell me what to do and I'll do it

what's up with the content at the bottom?

the lorum ipsum?

with the meta, and unordered list lipsum?

it's gone
that's sidebar stuff

which you won't be having?

I will, I didn't want to destract you

but want the blank space where the sidebar would be?
well, it's all relative

the sidebar should go on the right

OK. I'd define a #sidebar, give it some width, and call the file, even if it's empty for the time being

I just put lorum ipsum to have something to work with

DAMN .. i hate this

mefisto, hate what?

http://innonesen.se/test/l-6/ in IE6

I think he's dealing with another IE issue

that tooltip is under
i cant do nothing to it

I thought we were bugging him

the text overflowing the box?

twidget, it's relative, but we could take this to #wordpress, so not to flood the channel

or a PM

no I'd rather flood #wordpress

migth it be that height expression(100 + "px"); doesnt works in ff?

`fullheight

http://phrogz.net/CSS/valign_in_body/block.html , www.alistapart.com/articles/fauxcolumns/

http://cornernote.homeip.net:8080/_clients/guns4sale.com.au/help/advertising/classified

`ie condcomm

http://msdn.microsoft.com/workshop/author/dhtml/overview/ccomment_ovw.asp , http://www.quirksmode.org/css/condcom.html

is the embed element valid HTML 4.01 Strict?

]html embed
guess not
]html object

http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/objects.html#edef-OBJECT

http://www.blooberry.com/indexdot/html/tagpages/e/embed.htm

abstrakt
i read something about how to embed stuff and get it to validate
google it
i think the article i saw was on the w3 site

use OBJECT

yes
but there are certain things that you don't use with it

What about fax modem vs. data modem? Why is there a need for a distinguation? Are fax modems much simpler (and thus cheaper) than data modems?

towerniece, you're in the wrogn channel

Nah. I just don't know of a better channel.

heh
actually a Fax-Modem is just a Modem with support for Fax protocols
there's an extension to the AT command set to handle incoming and outgoing Fax connections
it may be the wrong channel, but it got an answer

Are you sure about this?
Because I could not use my "fax modem" for doing normal modem stuff.
Calling BBSes or playing games over the phone line etc

nah i got it
it's the A List Apart article on Flash Satay
works and validates

• -- Is this inaccessible? I mean... I can't make an ALT text for a character! I use symbols like that all over instead of bitmap graphics, but is this bad?

every fax-modem I've seen has supported regular modem use
]html entities

http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/sgml/entities.html , http://www.evolt.org/article/ala/17/21234/ , http://www.alistapart.com/articles/emen/

Maybe I didn't use my fax modem correctly.

just remember to be careful of the fonts.... a lot of fonts don't have all the chars

Dammit...
Wait... will a braille reader say "arrow down" and "black square"?

_ZofBot3, fromhtml •

bull

wtf is bull?

Bull is a big "bullet".
A sphere.
Circle.
Black. Filled.

towerniece_, it might well just ignore it, especially if the user has set a setting.
towerniece_, why do you need this in the first place? Use a list

Nooo! I don't use it for that! :P

What are you using it for?

For things like "sorting by" or "checked/yes".
Instead of having a graphical image.
Or a text saying "Yes" or "No" many times.

towerniece_, use an asterix. There might be a better way, but I don't quite understand what you are after.

An asterisk?

That commonly means "everything".

....
nm
You don't make any sense.

...

sometag class = "firstclass secondclass"
is that standard compliant ?

Even MSIE understand multiple classes.

eh
Goetmet, ask the validator?

Goetmet

hey guys, how useful do you think it is to have a "Back to the top" breadcrumb at the bottom of a page?
I suppose it depends on the length, and the amount of content in that page, but as a general rule of thumb? Useless or worthwhile?

do you often have enormously long pages?

not usually no

Tatey, it depends on user's experience with the software. Some people don't know that pressing "Home" will take them to the top of the page (where navigation usually is)
]]WAI How * people use web site:w3.org @ Tatey

[Google] http://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/Drafts/PWD-Use-Web/ (More results: http://tinyurl.com/2klsxb )

valid point

"Your browser's cookie functionality is turned off. Please turn it on." -- No, it's not, you incompetent fucking fuckers.
(Gmail claiming it.)

heh

All Google's services work half-assedly.
And their stats and features are always heavily cached and unreliable.

lol

Basically, everything about Google is random.

http://ecreate.com.au -- leet style switcher
a href="http://ecreate.com.au"http://ecreate.com.au/a -- leet style switcher

thought that URL looked familiar

http://www.alistapart.com/articles/emen/ -- This article gives new meaning to the phrase "anal retentive".

Hmr.. how would you formally word this situation: "A guy makes jokes about another guy's tone of voice and physical disability"

GAAAAAH! Font-size switcher! Baaaaaaad usability! Bad, bad, bad, bad!

Huh?

On that site you linked to.

What's bad about a font-size switcher?

Where is the style switcher?
Oh. You press the link.

....
weirdo

I never saw the point of multiple styles. It's like the Web master couldn't make up his mind.
Font-size switcher is bad on so many levels I don't even know where to begin.

No people are the same. Some like red some like yellow.
towerniece_, if you don't have any decent comments just sit quite in the corner. I don't need your pointless "bad usability" remarks.
s/quite/quiet/;

Pointless?
It's a browser feature.

towerniece_, some browsers don't do a good job on this. Moreover, not all sites have same font-size used. On one site you may want to increase font on another you may want to decrease it. There also may be several users of the same computer which have different requirements regarding font-size.
towerniece_, if it's useless for you - don't use it. End of story.
Hehe, I guess he had nothing else to say

thank god

who hosts on macs?

people with too much money? :P

hopefully no one
i need my server to look trendy dammit!/sarcasm

nothing wrong with a good looking rack

f00li5h++
i need my server hosting to match my car's interior!

im going crazy, i wanna make a menu where when i click a link on the menu, it changes the cell below it into another menu, how do i do this?

Does this look ok to send to the warehouse manager?: http://paste.css-standards.org/16189

gimmi a sec to read

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8zeaYFQMJM ???
/lame

lol, seen it

well writen Zoffix, thats one fucked up workplace

It's not sexual harassment though.

ohh hehe

now, how do make my dam menu! lol

I get the click something, I don't get the 'changes the cell below' part

ahh ok ill show u an example

There is me and another guy. We both have physical disabilities. Other guy has also some speech problem and he's tone of voice is "funny". Everyone at work makes fun of us, when we standing right there. Constant "parodies" of the way that other guy speaks. Then there is that bitch that tells all the office people that I am a crack head and insane and then people who I never even talked to give me those weirded out looks. I'm fucking sick of this.

http://www.britglass.org.uk/BritishGlass/BritishGlassHome.html
take a look at their menu CommandPrompt
i want somthing like that
ive looked at the code but i cant figure out how

Giddion55, you'll need to use JS if you want the "click"

onclick="yadd" ?

http://zoffix.com/new/menu/menu.html

yes thats good also
how do u do that

Giddion55, read the source
Giddion55, just set classes on every page, and in CSS select those classes and style the menu to look the way you need it to look on that specific page.

great
thanks bud
dont i need iehover.js too though?

Giddion55, yeah, you can either use the one on my menu or this -
]ie hoverhack @ Giddion55

ie hoverhack: www.xs4all.nl/~peterned/csshover.html (working example: www.xs4all.nl/~peterned/examples/cssmenu.html )

too early in the morning for this lmao
my brains melting already

Giddion55, JS just adds/removes classes on `mouseover` and `mouseout` events and those classes are styled same as :hover{} (in my iehover.js )

ive downloaded an iehover.js so ill take a look at that
still a little confused about how it all works though :P
because when i put it it my code and use my ccss i just get a long list

Well, you obviously need to modify your CSS code.

ye, like i said its early hehe it just hit me

does anyone know a good design with a not-so-light blue background? we're trying to modify this: http://wiki.tiddlywiki.org - but the current modifications just, well, suck

heh

red and yellow red and yellow!

well whats going to be on it that can impact the style

just wiki content
so mainly text

peooole ... hi
ands help

to NOT be at front of everything

Zoffix, ive figured it thanks for the help bud your a star, ive put a little credit to u in y code :P

mefisto, can't. Don't use embed either.
]flash @ mefisto

http://blog.deconcept.com/swfobject/ http://reisio.com/examples/flash/ http://alistapart.com/articles/flashembedcagematch

need for quictime

mefisto, one of those articles has quicktime example.

panorama feature
k

#53C4EA

hold on, I'll try that

O.o, it workes in firefox but not IE7

whats the proper way to make a font not bold? font-weight:

normal? 100%?
]css font-weight

css font-weight: http://w3.org/TR/CSS21/fonts.html#propdef-font-weight

]css font-weight

css font-weight: http://w3.org/TR/CSS21/fonts.html#propdef-font-weight

font-weight: bold;

snap!

lmao

simulpost!

yea normal did it thanky

nice suggestion - we might go with that

whats a good title for a jobs page? "companyname emplyment"? "companyname prospects"? lol (yes its uni work and no i havnt decided on a name yet lol)

'university arse picker upper opportunities'

what does "rel" mean in "rel=stylesheet" ?

related?

relation
]html rel
]css rel

wow i was close

thanks

is used for several metadata files or links, and you have to tell it what relation, the source in the href, has to the page

to load .css is just the most common usage of it

to stick favicons is another, to tell it what to use for 'previous' and 'next' on buttons in browser, is yet anotehr

]html link @ shoonya

html link: http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/links.html#edef-LINK

thanks

iCow

is there anyone to create a css class using the type attribute in a form element?

iWoof

anyway*

input[type="image"] {.... } input[type="submit"] {....}
unfortunately, does work on all browsers BUT IE

aw...
stupid IE.

CommandPrompt, madisonsquare works in IE7

meh... do it anyway

madisonsquare, and it's called a "selector" not a "class"

.. does... ie7... good

leave a note to IE users that their browser sucks

madisonsquare

]ie7

http://dean.edwards.name/IE7/overview/ (It's not IE version 7. READ.)

not sure if ^^^ has something for it
for ie6 that is

cool, thanks guys

Zoffix bud i need your help with your menu

I am working ATM.

ive coded it to my CSS and my website, but it doesnt seem to work in IE, it works fine (and looks great) in firefox but IE the sub menus dont appear
ok

Giddion55, provide a link, validate the page, make sure you've included IEHover fix and maybe someone will help you.

ok
thx

Hi
How can I make to containers side-by-side such that the increase in the heights of either of them pushes the content below them lower?

left, have the other float: right; have the content below clear: both; # ez
right; have the content below clear: both; # ez/u

both -- this is valid? or you meant clear:left; clear:right?

i thought you said you were going to try it

clear both is valid

Yes, it works. Thank you.

left; on the left one and either margin-left: width_of_left_one; (or overflow: hidden; if width is unknown) on the right column usually is enough. IE doesn't like float: right too much. Read this too -
]float tutorial @ derek_

float tutorial: http://css.maxdesign.com.au/floatutorial/ , http://phrogz.net/css/understandingfloats.html

I have a left floated select box....but i cannot set a left border for it...what give?

heeh
I don't think you can set ANY border on a Select element, no access

]css form styling @ louis_xx

CSS 2.1 does not define which properties apply to form controls and frames, or how CSS can be used to style them. User agents may apply CSS properties to these elements. Authors are recommended to treat such support as experimental. ( http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/conform.html#conformance )

ouch

@http://creation1.plus.com

(creation1.plu...) Network error ( http://tinyurl.com/yr36cy ) | Network error ( http://tinyurl.com/3ak5ko ) | DOCTYPE: Network Error | (MIME: Error)

in ine way thats good because all the time i spent yesterday tearing my hair was not wasted

hehe

hahahhaa zofbot is awsome!! (i mean the one on your selsite

huh?
:/

the big robot

http://zofbot.freehostia.com/

~_~
sheesh
I need to delete that super outdated site

awwwww, post the pic somwhere first lol
i love him

]]i:robot @ Giddion55

[Google - Images] http://www.smallartworks.ca/Gallery/Robot/Robot4.JPG (More results: http://tinyurl.com/39je9s )

[see more results
ah, lawl. it's actually a first hit

lol

ok this is cheap but please remind me how i can center my select box :P

]center @ louis_xx

CSS Horizontal Centering: http://www.zoffix.com/css/center.shtml , http://dorward.me.uk/www/centre/

lawl? laughing arse with llamas?

louis_xx, bother to read the FAQ huh?
]faq @ louis_xx

http://dev.ac-creations.com/cartoons/sgirl-faq-colored.jpg

..
but that requires reading, got any on mp3 or flash? // me ducks, j/k

sudo rm -rf ~/CommandPrompt/*

I recall ... I think it was on #html on Efnet, a couple of fellas asking on HTML tutorial in audio

Is there a shorter way to refer to 'black' than '#000' ?

thank you

....

RememberPOL, WHY?

longer, yes, shorter... why does it matter? #000 is short =P

jw (:

]abbr jw

wooops

yeah yeah i know rgb(0,0,0)

HTML tutorial in audio... do any exist?

imbicil

]abbr jw

jw? just wankering?

just wondering .....

ohhh ok

_ZofBot3, command add abbr jw :is: JW == Just Wondering

abbr jw was added as JW == Just Wondering

and, it's spelled *imbecile*

]css color @ RememberPOL

css color: http://w3.org/TR/CSS21/colors.html#propdef-color

;spell imbicil

imbicil doesn't seem to be a word, but I can't tell what you're shooting for...

lmfao

;spell imbecil

Correction: imbecile

;spell imbecile au soleil

imbecile au soleil seems to be correct.

;spell abuse

abuse seems to be correct.

...
speaking about
why are you putting the complaint out, and to who?

huh?
What are you talking about?
I think I will call you DOSPrompt

the earlier pasted
heheh

OOOH, missed that one
CommandPrompt, to warehouse manager of the warehouse I am working in.

sick of this.

hehheh
well
in short.......... everyone is entitled to their opinion, and is theirs, noone has to agree with it, or in the crude words of clint eastwood, 'opinions are like a**holes, everyone has one'

heres a challenge..I have some inputs that I have floated left into a row.....unfortunately one of these is a select box. Because im trying to make things look like a table I want to borders to line up pixel perfect....so i put my select into a div of teh correct width
the problem being...this looks fine in ie

CommandPrompt, huh?
CommandPrompt, opinion is opinion.. constantly humiliating fellow employees is not an opinion and IS illegal here.

but other browsers interpret the width of the div + border differently from that of input boxes of teh same size
is there a way round this.....short of using an input box as a background and positioning the select in front of it

meaning, is their opinion, though their work demeanor maybe questionable, you can address work decor or demeanor/behaviour, and proper work ways

Zoffix

CommandPrompt, that's what my e-mail to warehouse manager is about.. to demand proper treatment.

http://paste.css-standards.org/16202

CommandPrompt, sorry, but I have no excuse for a supervisor that makes fun of my accent when I make a work related request to him.

true, anymore than you can educate folks in 5mins for an ignorance they've lived for over 20years

CommandPrompt, neither should I be thought of as a "crackhead" and "insane" by people in the office and/or people who write me paychecks as it can well prevent me from getting a promotion.
True, I don't talk often to people, because I consider they are not intelligent enough for me neither do they share any of my interests. Sorry, but that doesn't mean that I am insane.

maybe, but you're addressing to tell them 'how to think'

CommandPrompt, huh? No I don't.

well

CommandPrompt, how did you come up with that?

they're free to 'think' what they'd like :|
well, you're asking them to, no consider you as this or that, and change their ways due to what your opinion of better treatment is

can someone check my roll-overs work in ie please, http://www.excitingweddings.co.uk/weddings

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