well, i didnt use a torrent... because interestingly, the size of the file was about fifteen MBs bigger after download. i download through http, but it was the same file... although this time, it was 2 MB less.

did you checksum the file before writing it?

nope, i didnt.

checksum that file quickly

could you tell me how to do that? sorry, i'm not experienced in that area.

sha1sum isofile

google for md5sum.exe

ok.

he's on windows

hey

oops!

you are in windows right now, right?

my samba share from my linux box to my windows machine

but he still needs sha1sum

http://mirror.atrpms.net/fedora/linux/development/i386/os/repodata/primary.xml.gz: [Errno -1] Metadata file does not match checksum

normally streams music/media perfectly

yes, frozty_sa.

for some reason it's being a bit laggy today and cutting in and out of my songs/movies
any ideas how to troubleshoot this?
i've restarted my samba service and both boxes, but nothin'

http://www.etree.org/md5com.html
that file, frozty_sa?

try deleting /var/yum/cache/*
hang on, I'll check now

all right.

I've had that problem with samba shares at work and it has always been the windows box that is causing problems... accessing the samba shares with a fedora linux box never fails

where do I find the checksums?

any mirror

/var/cache/yum/ you mean

you could always try access the share via linux (if you don't have an install a decent livecd should work) and see if it still does it to rule out the server being a problem

yes, you can get that one

frozty_sa, ftp://ftp.iasi.roedu.net/mirrors/fedora.redhat.com/linux/releases/7/Live/i386/SHA1SUM

two seconds.

thanks, I was on the way to open a terminal now :-p

frozty_sa, http://fedoranews.org/mediawiki/index.php/Where_can_I_find_sha1sum_program_for_Windows%3F

anyone here use gnome ?

here

yep

most

what you need?
ftp://ftp.gnupg.org/gcrypt/binary/sha1sum.exe
get that one

downloading.

then check that your checksum is the same as the one here: ftp://ftp.iasi.roedu.net/mirrors/fedora.redhat.com/linux/releases/7/Live/i386/SHA1SUM

gnomes, night elves, whatever it takes

where do I get java-1.5.0-sun*src.rpm ?

one question, how to use the file?

both links curtesy of guzu

running it doesn't do anything.

jpackage.org (I've always used the howto @ http://fedorasolved.org for java though)

when i disabled logout menu it still there and it uses the toolbar from the theme i have installed =(

open a command prompt

frozty_sa, well, actually is google and rahul sundaram

:-p

done.

i remember when the logout faded

trying to use the fedorafaq but didn't work for the java part..

now, cd to directory where that image is located

why did they use a crappy logout
??

muumi, what do you need src for?

its using my toolbar theme and it looks shitty

yeah, I used to use that method but in the end the fedorasolved.org method seemed to be less hassle than hunting down jpackage.org's src/nosrc rpms and such

please read the topic

then?

then, copy the sha1sum file into that directory

ok

frozty_sa, he can copy it to cwindows

for fixing jre in my browser...

muumi, x86_64?

it's vista...I dunno where vista keeps it's stuff

scampbell, hollywoodb yum --exclude=cups* update Did the trick

and I'm scared of maybe giving his pc a heart attack

eh, i don't either
)

nox86

I expect we'll have a new cups-libs soon.

then run sha1sum image_name_here.iso

muumi, so what's wrong?

guzu doesn't work from the beginnig?

is there a gconf editor setting to get rid of gnome logout ?

stylish, so pick a theme that doesn't suck? it's not fedora's or gnome's fault that the theme creator doesn't know how to do things right

VERY first thing google turned up: http://www.gnome.org/learn/admin-guide/2.6/ch10s02.html

what's the command to run?

now just compare that output to that of the sha1sum on the page

http://www.mjmwired.net/resources/mjm-fedora-f7.html#java

i mean the command prompt command for running a file.

did you copy it into the directory of the image?

s/se/use

yes.

you just type it's name

Dmitry_, cmd

it should have been looked at before they released it

guzu think I go with hollywoodb 's link

muumi; mjmwired.net's java web hosting guide is very similar (but doesn't look as thorough) as fedorasolved.org's

muumi, ok, if something goes wrong (wich i hope not ) you can use thhat link
hollywoodb, i haven't checked fedorasolved recently

i ran "sha1sum.exe Fedora-7-KDE-Live-i686" (without quotation marks).. and that didnt print any positive results.
once again, apologies about knowing little in the area... i've had no experience with this.

what's wrong with the current method?

is that the full file name? what about the extension

oh, yeah. i did end it with .iso
wait
:P

once anyone updates a java installation, then (new) users will need to again re-config all things (alternatives etc) -

is it extremly inadvisable to use more than one package management tool

did it again... cpu usage increased, but no result has yet been returned.
got a result
comparing

I thought alternatives was system-wide

true. but some (new) users don't figure out they need to add a new config number for a new java install (or delete the old profile first) when using alternatives

ah, I see

I propose extracting the .bin to /opt, then symlinking to it
then an update is just a symlink away :-)

is there a gilb compat package in fc6 so i can play lod games ?
glib
soory

would be nice if someone just built sane & supportable RPMs without having to go through the jpackage RPM hoops

ouch

92%

what does /opt do anyway?

sorry for the spelling

it's just a dir for /opt(ional) programs

bbl

the hashes match.

oh is that all

i mean is there a compat package for old games ?

unix filesystem is actually quite descriptive

so it's very likely to be a bad burn?

rename the extracted dir from 1.5.wahtever to 1.5 so that next time you just overwrite files, link is already there, also alternatives etc

then I'd guess it was a bad burn

should i try again on another cd-r from the same box? or should i find a cd-r of better quality? i was burning at 8x using magiciso btw.

stylish, yum list *compat*

frozty_sa; isn't everything optional? :P

http://www.pathname.com/fhs/2.2/ --- A nice run down of the filesyste hierarchy and rationale

not the kernel....

thank you scampbell! ^_^

but good one nonetheless, downhillgames

frozty_sa; obviously
\

sounds like a plan :-p

http://rafb.net/p/lMXgFx45.html -- anyone know how to fix this?
a href="http://rafb.net/p/lMXgFx45.html"http://rafb.net/p/lMXgFx45.html/a -- anyone know how to fix this?

it was a multiple-choice question. :P

hmmm....I see one possible problem with that
sorry, I meant go with another box and better disc

Dmitry_; burn at the lowest setting possible.

or do that
rather, first do that

that was the lowest, unfortunately.

frozty_sa, what's that?

all right, thanks.

O_o

maybe the app?

8X is the lowest? :P your media and burner hate each other :P
frozty_sa; what is "the app"? then i can answer that

getting a screenshot.

Dmitry_; what do you use to ....burn... that works

magiciso, as he said

oh yeah. never used it

neither have I

if you're on windows

have used magiciso for all my two operating system burns. both failed. :P

Dmitry_; NICE!

or maybe cdburnerxp

never even heard of it....but then, been a long time since I used windoze for anything except on the uni computers

screenshot of the speeds available on the way. :P

frozty_sa; my friend switched to ubuntu and now can't stand his work compy (moreso than normal :P)

someone seriously needs to make yumex a little faster or standardize on smart

profanity would be something i'd use at this moment... there is now '4x' displayed magically. :P

smart \o/

I just started trying out linux a few years ago and immediately started liking windows less
encrypt it :-p

downhillgames, see what a little gnome can do?

encrypt what? :P

frozty_sa, thats usually how it works

frozty_sa; i liked Windohs never, at least not after Windows 95 came out :P

lol downhillgames xp was the first decent windows
vista isnt bad

3.11 was the *ONLY* decent windows as far as i'm concerned
deleting running files for the win

lol
double lol

vista sucks if its not compatible with what you want to run

f_newton, they look nice indeed, but o do girls from certain streets

its compatible with my stuff

mikerose357; aka almost everything

lol guzi

lol

guzu*

http://i13.tinypic.com/67s7v3n.png

oh wait.... its not compatible with my cubase

"let's roll boys"

that is the menu which i... use to burn.

the problem is that it honestly doesn't offer a lot that you couldn't allready get from 3rd party apps
uthe problem is that it honestly doesn't offer a lot that you couldn't allready get from 3rd party apps/u

If you'll look though, you'll find I use fedora.

mikerose357; we are talking about every windows since 98se, right? :P

and seriously why not rip off expose properly instead of that stupid flip 3d

oh, wait. i think i now know why 4x wasn't available... lemme take another screenshot with a cd-r loaded.

lmao
that helps

well dont forget w98 3rd edition

ohyeahjava works

Dmitry_; i'd suggest using deepburner or something... something free and lightweight that "just works" :P

screw 98 unstable as hell

magiciso + crack is free. :P

yes 98 was not very stable
but once they did get it working they ruined it with me
ME

hey, we could all install winME
haha

I remember running 3d studio max on 98 and saving every couple minutes so I wouldn't lose much when it crashed

mikerose357; amen

do you know how many microsoft employees got fired due to ME

had to install windows NT for it to be stable

what if a (stupid) user already has a dir named "1.5" and then tries to rename the new extracted dir to "1.5"....

yeah

f_newton; not enough.

lol

XP was a big step up

XP, at release time, was good.

yes it was a major improvement

peace

well to be proper 2000/XP were a big step up

frozty_sa, right, but nothing can stpop a stupid user anyway

SP1 was sliding downward slightly... SP2 killed it for me

w2k was the first of the modern generation stable operating systems
from microsoft

frozty_sa, and i said something something wrong, miranda said that dir must be empty before extracting the new version

why is #politics on freenode so full of crackpots?

f_newton; i know windows users who wont let go of 2k no matter what you say to them lol

erm...because it's #politics?

why is politics so full of crackpots period mikerose357

f_newton, right, first time i felt they learned something from linux

remove it # and it's self explanatory

http://i19.tinypic.com/4km3bk2.jpg
a href="http://i19.tinypic.com/4km3bk2.jpg"http://i19.tinypic.com/4km3bk2.jpg/a

W2K is really nt5

that's what's available for me.

Dmitry_; use 8X

Seriously though I've been trying to explain to people who admire hitler that jews aren't running the world for 20 minutes now

i did last time.
and the results were:

yeah, i was thinking DVD

kmod-fglrx ?

http://i8.tinypic.com/6gwhoh0.jpg
downhillgames :P

Dmitry_; NICE! re-download the ISO. i suggest torrent :x

well time to go folks. gotta go back to work monday morning so I need to enjoy my weekend
bwell time to go folks. gotta go back to work monday morning so I need to enjoy my weekend/b

there's a finnish saying that dumbness largens in groups

if the sha1sum checked out then its a bad burn... I've heard deepburner is good for windows, but I haven't used it

f_newton; take care, cya ^_^

is muumi finnish?

could it be iso's fault? oh, and another thing i found out... for some reason, vista chose to display the file size of the iso as 702 MB in the folder view, under column 'Size'... however, when i go to the file's properties, i see 686 MB.

along discussing the GPL with an RMS worshipper, listening to how people lump alian abduction freaks in with the "real" conspiracies to make them look sily

yeah

thanks, i'll try that.

so now I know two things of finnish origin. Nightwish, and Muumi

so, do i put in the kmod for the ati?

Dmitry_; please dont ask me to figure that out. i dont need a migrain :P

i wont. :P

next time try sonata arctica,leverage or brother firetribe

that's almost as bad as figuring out Intel mobo/cpu/ram

hollywoodb, sometimes the check will fail even if the burn is ok

Dmitry_, VODKA

some better music

oops that was for Dmitry_ ^

dunno. I don't need the kmod drivers since my card supports it
I'll try to get some of that sometime
you're on fc6 right?

yum seem strange...wants to install kmod+xorg driver+kernel (which is already running)
yes

also, i dont think there's a need for a re-download. i have two copies -- one through http, and one through a torrent. i'll delete the http one and seed the torrent.. then i'll burn it if i find a better disc.
i live in england, and im underage for alcohol. :P

lol

however, vodka to you, too! :P

Dmitry_; then www.deepburner.com will help you

downloading in a sec

http://rafb.net/p/lMXgFx45.html -- anyone know how to fix this?

*

it will pull the latest kernel (and headers), as the driver builds a module which is kernel version specific

aMoRPHeouS; what app spits that out?

and i already updated the kernel..

is there any bugs in fc7 with grub not loading at boot up?

building compiz? just make the group and add your user to it

as to the xorg stuff, I really don't know the finer points about how the driver works

and still it wants to reinstall...

downhillgames, trying to rebuild compiz from source rpms

aMoRPHeouS; oh wait... are you using root to "make" ?

bigmatt, may be

aMoRPHeouS; you should be root for "make"

hmm..goodquestion is, do i really need it

ah, ok
thanks downhillgames

I am running raid1 and it just hangs where grub would usually show up

do you have kernel AND headers, or just kernel?

dunno

bigmatt, have you seen this? http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Bugs/F7Common#head-d1878f727aee67ffbe1d9326df19d2b4e1f39ef3

th
thx*

np

let it go, and then see what happens

just did

aMoRPHeouS; did it work?

always the same..try fail. try and after two weeks it might work

yeah, it sucks

too many spaces again ..

downhillgames, compiling. I'll know in a few minutes

aMoRPHeouS; gl

but oh well, it's a lot better than it was at one time

downhillgames, afaik it should be root only for make install, usually

thanks

do you think i'll encounter any difficulties whilst trying to install fedora 7 on a 4.87 GB FAT32 partition alongside vista?

yes

hooray. :P

guzu; mmmm i've had to be root to avoid errors for a looong time but i was taught to be root only for "make install" as well. *shrug*

firstly, the fat32 shouldn't be fat32

dont know about that..redhat6.2 was the first i tried and worked fine

Dmitry_, you should change partition type and filesystem

aMoRPHeouS; what version are you compiling?

downhillgames, worked

nah, I mean drivers and stuff

compiled* hehe

what should it be?

downhillgames, i see

ah yes

ntfs? fat16?

but don't worry, the fedora installer will do it

same difference

package kernel-2.6.20-1.2962.fc6 is already installed

downhillgames, compiz-0.5.1-0.9.20070716git

guzu; it must have changed somewhere somehow someway. *shrug*

andthen a bunch of errors

it will re-format it to a suitable file system?

but brb

pastebin
yes

aMoRPHeouS; ....what fedora release?

Dmitry_, type 83, ext3 file system

downhillgames, FC6

aMoRPHeouS; aaaaaaaah ok. that makes more sense now

hence having to build from source

just make sure you WATCH what you are doing during the setup and don't just blindly click yes

yes

i see. i'll let fedora take care of it. with vista's disk manager, the only choices are ntfs and fat32.

aMoRPHeouS; enjoy i love it on F7

cheers

Dmitry_, will take care of the filesystem but is recommended to change partition type (although i suspect it will wotk without )

i tend to read everything a few times when installing something new... and something as significant. i've had troubles with this computer in the past.

Dmitry_; if deepburner doesn't work, Vista is retarded or your burner is bad.

ok. just make sure you read very carefully in the setup, especially near partitions
that logic is faulty

Dmitry_, it's good to let vista create partition, there are issues with the last cylinder + windows

i'll still rely on the installer. :P changing the partition type will bring in more problems that i'll need to fix. that's the trend of new things meeting me. :P

and vista will avoid them

frozty_sa; but not improbable!
2 ISOs which sha1um match and 2 different apps?

well, i've not yet decided what i'm going to burn on.. since i have a few cheap cd-rs and a few dvd-rs... but i dont want to waste them.

no, it's flawed. "if deepburner doesn't work, vista is retarded"....this then makes a given fact become dependent upon an undecided factor....

will do.

oooh, i can tell you for sure, vista _is_ retarded! i created a data dvd on vista and there was no other os in the world able to read it

frozty_sa; deep burner uses it's own engine for burning as far as i know. meaning it would be driver-related or the physical device.

i've created the partition already, and made it fat32 thinking that's what fedora wants.

that's a feature
that's fine, just let fedora installer reformat it, you can leave the partition size alone

hollywoodb, that's what i was afraid of

I'm just implying that it should maybe read, "vista is retarded, this might cause deepburner to fail" :-p

Dmitry_; keep an eye out on the shoppers for stores (weekly ads), some times you see 50 DVD-R spindles for $5 each

Dmitry_, have you tried to install without mediacheck?

all right. do you think 4.87 GB will be enough for fedora? i don't intend to install huge applications. it's my first linux experience. strangely, i've never even seen a linux system in real life. im just planning to use the internet, mainly.

you get week specials?! some pc shops here only run 'em for the weekend...then when you find out about it, it's already past :-?

frozty_sa; sure. either way it's ironic how little things actually do break compared to how many system failures Windows XP gets w/ me. let alone driver stuff. i'd rather have 100% working sound than my webcam working (which barely *ever* gets used)

nope, i thought that it'd be safer with verification; i dont want it to mess up half-way.

Dmitry_, _only if you limit the installed things very carefully_

frozty_sa; where are you located?

said*

yeah, i saw 25 DVD-Rs for £0.47 (that's around $1)... but it was sold out.

take a guess

Dmitry_, fedora needs extra space during install, you can add things later

I've got a fair amount of stuff installed & I'm using 3.2GB (Gnome, openoffice, media players, few games)... but you should have an extra swap partition (usually size is 2x amount of RAM you have)
I've got a fair amount of stuff installed & I'm using 3.2GB (Gnome, openoffice, media players, few games)... but you should have an extra swap partition (usually size is 2x amount of RAM you have)

it says a smartass.
za.... not sure where za is

well, i want to make sure that everything is perfect and cant go wrong... or something as close to that as possible.

hahaha...time to traceroute, it seems
south africa

frozty_sa; south... google ftw

i read in a book about linux host that the swap partition should be 4 times my ram.

does anyone have a nvidia card with duel monitor working with both screens?

not a strict rule but more in the line of rule of thumb
how much ram you got in?

then i was a little worried.. since i have 1 GB of ram... and the partition is 4.87 GB. that means 870 MB will be for the rest of partitions.. which is little, i think.

Dmitry_; Instructions to make your PC error-free: 1) Pull power cable. 2) Walk away.

kRiMe8, yes

that's a bit extreme... if you're just going to do desktop-type stuff (and/or games) you shouldn't need that much unless you've only got 256MB of RAM or less

Dmitry_, how much ram do you have?

"Package compiz-0.5.1-0.9.20070716git.i386.rpm is not signed" :/

you need to publish that in a book. will be a bestseller. :P

Dmitry_, ok, i've just read above

Dmitry_; books are the old, blogs are the now! /me kills self
i miss Web 1.0

kRiMe8, what card

you shouldn't need a swap partition bigger than maybe 512, especially if you're only first learning/using linux

hello Southern_Gentlem ...brb

Dmitry_, unless you are a heavy linux user, you can live without swap imho at this ram size, but it's always better to have it around

i use my current OS, Vista, to play games... and do virtually anything. however, just internet browsing and file editing with linux... i dont intend to install anything big. i usually use the computer to chat through irc and msn... and then use the internet.

geforce FX5500

had to find a purpose for the local library. :P

Dmitry_, wich means you shouldalso create 1gb of swap, imho

Dmitry_, man that was old the ones the oldest ones i have every seen said 2xram

Dmitry_; a quick note. i have 4GB of DDR2 but i keep a 4GB SWAP around *JUST IN CASE* ... say 3 of my sticks die... i can just enable swap and continue like normal

well, like guzu said you might be able to get by without a swap partition, but still recommend to have one 2x RAM

all right. does this mean i'll have to create partitions manually?

Dmitry_; yeah

yup

downhillgames, slower but it will work

you would've almost needed to anyway
but wait...

can I force yum to install unsigned packages?

aMoRPHeouS,
nope

you mean that now the swap partitions are becoming less the times of ram?

damn :/

you can however tell it not to check

how so?

4 gb... dang. now that's nice. i dont understand what kind of applications you run though :s

man yum.conf

using the partion edit screen, just choose that hard drive partition where you want to install to, and then it will do the rest self

ok

Dmitry_, revisor
Dmitry_, no i mean the oldest linux books articles i have ever seen said 2 X ram
not 4 X ram as you quoted earlier

i see... well, mine said 4x... i'll quote it in a sec.

i have a geforce FX 5500

kRiMe8, uname -r

Southern_Gentlem; i have a youtube video for you (self-made) if that's alright. it's my p3

kRiMe8, rpm -q livna-release

http://www.johnmunsch.com/articles/FedoraCoreGettingStarted/index_files/screenshots/jpg/installation/screenshot-0007.jpeg
would it be that screen?

my cat is licking a plugged-in light bulb and i almost dont want to stop her. hahaha. dumb cat.

nope
that one is VERY Old

there we about swap"Fswap

i see. I dont think i'll have time to read all that, though. :P

downhillgames, is it turned on

yeah, i was gonna apologize about the age of the screenshots.

danm, wrong thing

Dmitry_, you will

is there any place i could view installation screenshots of recent releases of FC?

but don't worry. it is in a similar layout and it will be quite easy to use it

i'll hope so then. :P

hang on quickly

Southern_Gentlem; http://youtube.com/watch?v=VpOuqyDSfTM

all right

"i can just enable swap and continue like normal" can you disable swap???

kRiMe8, hello

quoting from the book

the black screen is from RAM constaints, not the software.
you'll see...

Southern_Gentlemv i just found the tutoial thank you though i internet is really slo

"Normally you will need to create a swap partition which should be about four times the size of the memory in your computer. For example, if you have 64 megabytes of RAM a suitable size for your swap partition is 256 megabytes.

http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect_server_fedora7

"This edition published 2004"
thanks.

Dmitry_, throw that book away

library book. :P

return it

will have to return it on the 30th this month

Dmitry_, throw it into the same garbage can with harry potter

:O

after i finish reading a little more. :P it's good to do something besides going to the bathroom or the kitchen or using the computer. :P
i'd never spend money on harry potter.. nor would i spend time on downloading/reading it.

zcat; the fact the dude is naked on broadway or whatever bothers me to no end :P

get rute

searching on google for it.

rute.pdf

hey, i found a *really* *really* *REALLY* neat GUI tool that i'd reccommend to any standard iptables (firewall) user.

Hey, sorry if i bothering, i cant get audio to play right on any video player i try.

i think Southern_Gentlem gave me that link. i'll bookmark it.

frozty_sa, which i linked him to already

yum install firestarter
it lets you easily config *whatever,* it reads out ifconfig, netstat and iptables, you can start/stop iptables, etc

ah..sorry, I missed that while firefox had focus

Dmitry_, i would read any more of that box

soooo handy

wouldnt

http://www.amazon.com/Teach-Yourself-Linux/dp/0071439730
that's the book.

even rute which was written in the early 90s says 2xram

Dmitry_; the penguin looks like he's gonna kick my arse haha

Can anyone point me out to somewhere where i can fix my audio playback issues?

he looks like a demonic penguin

:P

CountX; what's the problem exactly?

its all choppy

brb.

CountX; what chip and how are you outputting (S/PDIF? wha)

The problem with the 2x RAM rule is that it gives you more swap on a system with more RAM. Obviously, that's not necessarily right, since a machine with massive amounts of RAM won't need any swap.

well, im kinda new, but im on a lappy

oh a laptop... hmm... /me passes the bar to someone else

if you google: https://www.redhat.com/archives/redhat-list/2003-June/msg00057.html follow the discussion, 2x ram tends to dilute these days

laptops are not my thing... sorry

ah...ok
anywhere i can look up info on

i owned 3, returned 3 :P

ctyler, not what we where talking about

um it's probably ALSA related or due to RAM constraints
but i can't say that's it... again... you should ask someone else

well, its a highend lappy,..
2gb ram

returned.
all right.
thanks for the screenshots, by the way. looking at them.

np

CRASH69; i have 4GB/4GB RAM/SWAP. meh. how could i need more than 4-8GB of ram? haha
i should say 5-8 since i can't run w/o system ram

!ati

juanmabc; !sucks
juannicolas; !sucks* whoops

i am about ready to make a script if someone does a ! it kicks them

Where can i lookup on how to fix it?

Southern_Gentlem; i'll host the bot

downhillgames, we dont need any bots

hi, did I said that?

juannicolas, knows better

CountX; find out your sound card chip model and put it in http://www.google.com/linux

CountX, lspci should help with finding that info

well, i know what chip it is, and in the vlc audio panel it displays the right hardware...

CRASH69; did you said that? idk, did you? :P your link talks about SWAP space arrangements

idkmbff jill?

what do you mean lspci

CountX; Southern_Gentlem said that but in a terminal type "lspci" w/o the " marks

"follow the discussion, 2x ram tends to dilute these days"

thanks, i've read through it. i'm wondering -- how much space will be available for my use. in other words, how much space does fedora 7 need, excluding the swap partition?

follow mean... ehhh read on... downhillgames

CRASH69; i'm really hyped/tired from yard work all day. forgive.

command not found

"command not found?" A: Run the command AS ROOT after switching users with "su --login" or "su -" in order to get root's command PATH so the command WILL be found; don't run "su" by itself. If it's still not found, then either it's not installed in a standard path location (echo $PATH), is not executable (chmod a+x), is in your current dir (./runme), or you've spelled it incorrectly.

CountX; /sbin/lspci or /usr/sbin/lspci

nevermind

Southern_Gentlem; see why i add that default path?
s/path/PATH/

is it possible for you to say a line with out a or or :O on the end

is there a help in how to install ATI on F7?

ikonia; yes.

no

ikonia,

well...I don't know if it works yet, at least

ikonia; just needs a hug.

I was looking for some helps in the net and there few of them but I want to be sure if there's one that really works

downhillgames, so why was that for me?

what card have you got?

Readeon

Southern_Gentlem; was it not you who was interested in the p3 running it previously... perhaps not.

nope

i'm sorry

juannicolas, use the radeon driver

yes, but what model?

ati doesnt support the version of xorg in f7

ATI FireGL V5200 with 256MB

they do as of 8.39.4

straw; would FC6 or F7 be better for ATi this moment?

see all later

fedora is pretty nice
one of the bast distros

i need to convert an Ubuntu compy over in a few days...

of course it is :-)

it's one of the fist distro's too

FC6 is and was fine, both are fine as of that version, downhillgames

straw; ah. so F7 should be alright. can i/he use Livna or is this with the AMD/ATi installer only

'course performance can't touch nvidia nor is there accelerated composite yet

i hear there are differences
it's a X300SE PCi-e btw

yeah, there's a minor problem with a missing file that causes a 'testing only' watermark to display

over what?

so we're (Livna) waiting for ATi to fix it
lower left corner of the screen

So, there's no ATI drivers yet working for F7

straw; ah. that's annoying.
there is but with a watermark issue

well at least the driver works

and it can be updated later

but Can i still use the desktop effect?

juannicolas; according to straw

i've been using fglrx 8.39.4 for weeks on F7 without issue

straw so, can you give me the how to please?

straw; better yet, give me the howto and i'll update my nvidia howto to be a ATi/nVidia howto feel free to PM me on Fedoraforum or something if you write one so i can add it
if^

download the installer, pass --buildpkg Fedora/F7 on the command line, install the resulting rpms for now
soon as ATi take care of the watermark problem, Livna will have packages

ok

then either keep the generated rpms or remove them and install Livna's

ok
thank you

using the installer directly will generate the missing file and the watermark won't display, but using the installer directly might be a pain if you aren't sure of things

does fedora not have different installations for 32bit and 64bit

x86 and x86_64, so yeah.

i m getting "error activating XKB configuration" on startup

Mathman, it says i386 x86_64 and I thought they were one link (ie had a _ between), thanks mate

hello
can someone talk me through installing fedora. i am currently running ubuntu
i have no cd drive so need to install via the internet

I would use grub to boot the installer

ok yumex sucks horribly

i must add that i totally suck at linux
a grub to me is a maggot
i downloaded boot.iso and i dont know what to do with it

Grub is your bootloader
it can boot the fedora installer, called anaconda

how is a girl supposed to know that lol
ok so where do i stick the boot.iso?

how did you install ubuntu?

my laptop was windows so i downloaded an installer
but there is no double click in ubuntu for installing files etc

I'm having some trouble installing java.
Using the instructions on fedorafaq.org

and i dont like ubuntu so wanted to change to fedora 7

Missing Dependency: ATI-fglrx = 8.35.5-1.f7 is needed by package ATI-fglrx-devel

When I try to enable the repo jpackage-nonfree this happens: http://pastebin.ca/628212

there isn't in Fedora either. Fedora and Ubuntu are very similar.

oh wait

oh

if you find Ubuntu lacking, there's a good chance you'll find Fedora lacking as well.

you'll need to install all four rpms at once

so what do i do then

hrm, I liked yumex better than pirut for various reasons -- what is your opinion about what sucks specifically about yumex ?

i really hate ubuntu

sorry i did not see them
my bad

That is for you to decide

try fedora and see if you like it?

100%

doesnt even play divx and xvids etc
does fedora

now I have to burn the dvd

i like yum

since 9am

but yeah, does anyone know anything about my issue?

rpm -ivh ATI-fglrx*.rpm or so

Ok, done
all 4 pkg installed

i think i still wana try fedora

go ahead, nothing's stopping you

now just reboot

Both Ubuntu and Fedora will play those files with some configuration on your end. Fedora won't play any non-free formats by default

see you in a sec

but hook up with livna repo and you should for the most part be gold

*whine* *complain* *blame* ..

so where do i put the boot.iso i downloaded to do a network install of fedora/

So... nobody can help me with my java troubles?

ilovefedora, on a cd

i dont have a cd drive

lolwtf

achtung_rofl, what the heck are you trying to do
ilovefedora, go back to winblows

http://fedorasolved.org/browser

I guess I'll re-paste.

what are you trying to do i have scrolled

http://pastebin.ca/628212

hum

Frankly, I think you're in over your head here, but here's what you want to do: Get the files needed to boot the Fedora installer, put them in /boot/. Edit /etc/grub.conf to add an entry for the Fedora Installer pointing to the files you just added, reboot, choose the entry from the grub menu

That's what I'm trying to do, and it's failing hard.

got an error

achtung_rofl, answer my question

umm where can i find the fedora help channel?

why are you trying to do that

no screen found

http://www.fedorafaq.org/#java
Because it says to do it there?

juannicolas, ati doesnt work in f7
what say to so that

you're in it.

oh ok

isn't there some way for him to do a network-install?

do that

just ask a question

so i have a question

but

ask it, don't ask to ask .. just ask

WebDragon, yumex is slow in every part of its operation

The files you need are found here: http://redhat.download.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/releases/7/Fedora/i386/os/isolinux/ and are called vmlinuz and initrd.img

straw did you did some changes to xorg?

WebDragon, he has to be able to burn the iso to at least a cd

I should be able to open .jars too right?

but it becomes profoundly slow when trying to resolve a large depenancy chain

ive been trying to find my Service IP so i can forward my shoutcast ports and apache. How can i do that :-\

With those instructions?

yes

Ok, thank you.

certainly do not ask about asking if its ok to ask a questio
n

service ip?
what'sa that?

both smart and yumex fail to upgrade fedoras python to 2.5 from dev repo

yes

considering yumex is using yum for its backend, I can't see how yumex would be that much slower than yum is

ip service?

straw, so?

F7 also saw a nice speed boost for yum

but yum took almost an hour to figure out all the dependancies and fail
yumex that is

ifconfig?

Why you did not tell me that i had to do chages on it?

no, its like the ip address host that only the people on your router see, so like, my dads computer would be 192.168.0.120 or something

subman, you want to know which IP your ISP has given you?

what do i do with them

so... what?

sounds like, if nothing else, it's good for a bug report to the yumex developers so they can fix what's wrong

/sbin/ifconfig

what are the changes?

that is a private ip .. never heard of "service ip"

juannicolas, i have

oh, you don't. the changes should have already happened at install time

thats what my router calls it szec

szec service ip is a winblows term

Southern_Gentlem you have?

anyone using rsnapshot?

interesting .. i don't use windows and never will

you must not like games szec heh

i do like the cute terms they come up with though
i love games

juannicolas, i told you ati does nt support the xorg in f7

hahahahahahahaha, thank you guys! i knew i could find help here

but i use the proper medium .. a console

lol I prefer computer gaming

yes you did

and you'd be wrong as of fglrx release 8.39.4

btw I hope you don't own a 360 then considering it runs a derivative of windows

have you updated the rpms yet straw

can you run linux on a 360? heh

to me that's like using a team of horses to pull your car around town

yeah

xxbox?

straw and it that the one they just released and then retracted

yup

you can on an old xbox I don't know if you can on a 360

my bro runs linux on the ps3

then how to I revert the installation

fricken sweet

I know ms doesn't want you to

Fedora PS3

mmhmm

oh they pulled it?

its on google video

one expensive secure linux web hosting box, heh

hahahahaha its preety cool, i wanna install beryl on it

straw according to others earlier today

they did. damn it

yes

thats you found my service/private ip

damn it

addr:192.168.0.171

just got home from work and hadn't noticed

I dunno about the 360 I prefer my pcs to be properly cooled and free of defects

*headdesk*

some people aren't happy until they've found every way possible to hack something
others aren't happy until someone else has done all the groundwork and they can go through hours of pain trying to reproduce it

and they replaced it with 8.38.6 and not 8.38.7. what an amazing level of incompetence...
8.38.6 eats xorg.conf! GAHH!

I think its better not to buy hardware from people that want to tell you how you can use it

so Im fu**
now

i'll help you recover

thank yuou

and i apologize :/

no hard fealings

woot
im back

dang. i was reading the scrollback and wanted to ask subman some s.... HI
Subman; what *doesn't*/*WILL NOT* work on a p3?
sorry, ps3*

not sure

I already remove the ATI pakgs

like does the whole distro compile and run fine?

i only have fc on it

first remove the rpms we installed

i dont know, my bro messes with that stuff

Subman; ah. i'm curious because it has 9 cores or some shiz. it *has* to be fast.

has your xorg.conf been removed?

no
I do have xorg.conf and a old one

anyone experienced difficulties moving from fedora 6 to 7?

-original

i wanna get a quad core 3.0 intel

have a look and restore the original
then reboot

rm xorg.cong then mv xorg-original-0 xorg.conf

mv xorg.conf xorg.conf.ati
mv xorg-original-0 xorg.conf
and reboot
you should be back to where you were before this little fiasco

straw; and a HowTo was born!

eheheh

don't assume the ps3 is fast because of the number of cores

mikerose357; indeed. they do specialized things. but if the kernel can use those instructions, it has to see some improvement

its very capable of rendering 3d graphics

got my Xwindow back

only 1 core is "cpu" as i read about it

that doesn't neccesarily mean it is very fast at other things especially not without optimized code

So, seat tight and wait for ATI to release a stable driver

mikerose357; i'd just assume the ps3 would be prime to write for, that's all.

for games

mikerose357; afterall, you aren't buying a lot of games afterwards :P

haha not at that pricetag
rent copy return

exactly i'm just saying there are reasonable reasons to think there would be some usefulness to running Linux on it
mikerose357; like DVDs or VHSs back in the day?

for those of you who don't know ...
"the day" was actually a wednesday

heh

how do I make yum understand that i already have kernel 2.6.20-1.2962 installed?

rpm -q kernel

67.149.16.96 ------ can someone connect to this ip?

rafb.net/paste

how did you install the kernel?

O k the dvd's done
later

szec 2.6.18-1.2798 and 2. 6.20-1.2962

yes

trying to install fglrx driver

omg sooo you see my forum directory?!

stock fc6 kernel + latest fc6 kernel
i said yes.

WOOOOOT
hahahaha

yes

Don't know why is it, but for some reason my USB disk desapears from my desktop and is not mounted to the box.
I have to disconnect it and then back again

szec:and using livna repo for the kmod-fglrx requires 2.6.20-1.2962
which it means isn't installed...

juannicolas, did you add it to fstab?

which means what isn't installed?
not familiar with "it"

yum

yum is not installed?

mikerose357 why should I? It suppost to stay there once you plugit in

true but if its not doing what you want it to do that would solve the problem

even running latest kernel..uname gi ves2.6.20-1.2962.fc6 #1 SMP

unfortunately i don't follow what you want

I don't know, is like that if the OS disconnect the drive beacause is not using it

trying to get ati driver installed from livna repo

where is the problem?

conflicting package

you've failed to properly illustrate what you are having trouble with

rafb.net/paste

can't help you if there are no errors to interpret

jep,just doing that

if nscd is not running, there is no dns caching?
doesn't the stack within the kernel do its own caching?

what stack ?

network

http://rafb.net/p/qQMPR258.html

no.

hrm

your dns server is caching the information.
nscd is doing it

and if nscd isnt running?

and *some* software are doing it

(and no local dns server)
try, like firefox
er, true

firefox does more than dns caching. It caches an url
with document, and the rest.

chrismon, your nat router should be doing dns caching too.

yum -d 0 list kernel

zcat, i'm just concerned about the local machine

doubtful

paste it to the same place

ok tested it
watch port 53 while using telnet

chrismon, 'dig' some random domain twice and compare the query time.

both tests produced the same dns requests
heh year or do what I just did with a dns client that's not caching

how do i do ls -al *.txt but only the files which are created in a certain month say july?

huh, i always assumed that the network stack did some caching

doesnt mean your system is caching.

ed1t, find

http://rafb.net/p/UfYE7g35.html

heh n/m
i'd grep

dig is a dns client, it will query the dns server every time.

heh

seems it wants the i686 package?

that is your trouble

Anvil, yes, i know how it works. i thought the question was determining *if* caching was going on

i didnt want to *directly* point that out

you have the anaconda bug from fc6

zcat, what he's saying is that dig will always bypass a local cache

uname -a still says i686 in use?

you need an i686 kernel .. you have an i586
no
incorrect

dig just has it's own resolution engine. Wont use the one in the libc.

you need to remove those 2 kernels and install a correct i686 from any official mirror

anyone know how to set the interval settings for rsnapshot?

s/it's/it/s

Anvil, right, so also compare the diff between two runs of "time host spam.com"

same goes for host
host will query the dns server *every* time

so its lying to me http://rafb.net/p/gWs26S75.html

a program just doing gethostbyname would tell you about caching.

yep

uname -i

How I make my sb1 partion mountable???

like telnet

i have to go .. my mom is here
lunch time

hi mommy

Like i want to put the dvd in there

i386 :o
have a nice one

if there's a filesystem on it, it can be mounted.

its new
empty
80GB
I want to put my dvd "f7 on it so I can install it

Anvil, i guess i don't understand the question then

hey, anybody skilled with the win-pvr-usb2 get the fm radio playback playing okay w/out glitches?

can't find /dev/sdb in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab

read the man mount.

omfg

muhahahaha

anyone here use wine ?

yes
What you need

cxoffice here

the fc6 release kicks ass

I use vmware to avoid all the emu...
Going to try to learn XEN

I don't use wine. I have been known to abuse it, tho

streeter, thats my boy

is there any way to only get mail from certin email addys with kmail i own a few domaines and get spamed a lot ?

use evolution
or thunderbird

never use a program that starts with 'k'

Sinister, it's called don't use a domain catchall

srry
I closed it by mistake

i guess that would be the easy way

good luck getting evolution to work
with outofluck and all that is
er outlook

i have evolution and kmail set up i dont know outlook

wtf
--delete delete files that donbzcat, yeah,
er
--delete delete files that donbthats from the
that's from the rsync manual...and stinking ircII is misinterpreting, sigh
"delete files that don't exist on sender"
what the heck does that mean? "run rsync from machine A and delete files on machine B" ?

chrismon, self-explanatory

not really
or i wouldnt have asked
it makes no sense that rsnapshot would delete the files you are trying to back up as deault behavior
and, infact it seems its not deleteing them

i see pages for hdparm in fedora 7 but they still say /dev/hdc why is that and why dont it seem to work right with my sata and ide hard drives ?

i could mean that it delete the local ones before copying, but that doesnt make much sense either
lol 2 version of rsync have different explanations of the same option

chrismon, rsnapshot (which uses rsync) is a different case. deleted files are only --delete'd from THAT snapshot or newer, but the hardlinks in the rotated snapshots still exist (until rotated to dev/null)

delete == "remove from file list" ?
okwhatever it means, it does not mean its attempting to delete the backup source?
yes?

chrismon, --delete is one of the most common rsync options (besides -a). I don't see what's so hard to understand about it
if you rsync A to B, then delete some files in A, --delete will propagate those files on B too, so they're in sync.
otherwise you leave a mess of deleted files on B

ooooh

and they're not really in sync

you mean a mess of undeleted files
"--delete remove files on the destination filesystem which no longer exist on the source filesystem"
that would've been better
or "synchronize files deleted from the source" would even have been better

can someone help me fix my grub.confg i updated my kernel and must have f@cked up because grub loads but it cannot find the vmlinuz

probabaly a disk label issue

is there an editor in the grub terminal

or you're still using the /dev/hd* devices in your grub.conf.
these have recently disappeared

kRiMe8, boot off of your install cd
(or if you were smart enough to leave your old kernel in there, boot off that)
and edit your grub.conf

ok i booted into the rescue cd now i just need to edit my grub.confg right

new fedora, SAM_theman?

no
still on 6
Trying to mount my sdb1
and putting the DVD in there but no luck
I cant like mount it
if there a partion program for fedora
instead of fdisk

60min, so I dunno what you mean

try cfdisk?
or parted/gparted

its sata

hmm? does parted and/or cfdisk not recognize sata?

I don't know

should recognize it

I just want to install f7

gparted doesnt recognize lvm. not sure about parted i think its a little different

sorry man, movie starts now. hope you get it working. if you don't and you're still in when I get back later I'll see if I can help

NOO
!partion

k, I can give you some help quickly
what's the problem? you mentioned you can't mount sdb1?

Has anyone got a known good document/url reference for putting FC 7 on an Intel Mac mini, I've found lots on Mac PPC, but little on Intel

nope, sorry

does anything look wrong with this url string
http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/development/i386/os/

no problem, thanks
looks fine
its a 403

mikerose357, 404

what do you need?

sorry 404

its what I have for the development repo
anyone have fedora core 6 and want to tell me what the proper url is?

you could always dig through the tree yourself?

indeed it is just a different branch off teh tree

http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/development/$basearch/os/

omg...
Why is fedora sooo hard at making a partion

fdisk works fine
even then installer works fine

sweet, I finaly found out how to auto join channels when pidgin starts.... no more /join #fedora everytime i log on

what are you referring to specifically?

WebDragon, damaged braincells

I am trying to put my DVD ON my SDb and fedora is being a bitch about it

I like xchat a lot better than pidgin for irc

you still gotta auth to nickserv manually though, don't you?
I prefer xchat too -- not only for its scriptability but for other things as well

its got a nice ui

Trying to mount my second hardrive and it's not fuking working

pidgin's good to get started with though, I gotta admit

no, the NickPassword is the same as the channel password

it's pretty clean

Pidgen is really sweet
Nice name from gaim...

if you (fdisk -l) does it get listed ?

yup

i'll take a look at XChat , i'm used to pidgin already though, but i'm sure it could be better

aim was a ripoff of a name

which device is it and which partition do you want to mount?

gaim was rather

bear in mind that gnome-xchat IS NOT xchat
two different things

its good they chose a more unique name
I didn't like gnome-xchat

I prefer the main xchat itself to gnome-xchat

http://pastebin.com/m165fb910

dunno why they bothered
ok one sec (*click*)

i have kde anyway so i don't really use gnome-*

Trying to mount it as linux , tried windows it won't do it

trying to mount /dev/sdb1 somewhere in your linux system?

tried it

please, don't make me pull teeth -- explain in more detail
tried *what*

http://pastebin.com/m7a65debd

tried to do what

SAM_theman http://fedorasolved.org/post-install-solutions/ntfs-read-write/ that might help you

it won't mount because there's no directives for it in /etc/fstab for that partition

can someone show me what my grun.conf should look like

is it a linux partition?

I added a mount thingy in there

seems to be from fdisk -l

well yes

ok so (mkdir /mnt/linuxextra) for a mountpoint to test with

hi, ok selinux has blocked me out

then mount -t auto /dev/sdb1 /mnt/linuxextra
if that doesn't work then we look elsewhere for issues
a simple mount /device isn't going to work unless /etc/fstab knows what to DO with that device

when it drops me in a shell during bootup, i cannot modify any files. it's read-only mode.
how to override this?

same way mount /media/usbdisk isn't going to do anything unless /etc/fstab knows what device to attach to that mountpoint

i am in a '(Repair Filesystem) 1#' prompt. what can i do from here, since the system is mounted as read-only?

it's the same as if I handed you one end of a cable and said to you "attach this"
you'd give me a blank look too

DaHood, are you ok with data loss?

WebDragon, i don't understand. car analogy pleez

hmm *potential* data loss

ROFL

and that sure doesn't sound like "selinux" has locked you out

sounds like you're in rescue mode

wow
same error

pastebin please

forget it

no seriously
let's see the error msg

http://pastebin.com/m4c716813
#141

you probably want to use 'c' insted of 'b' as your partition type

daMaestro, i have backups all right
daMaestro, but nevertheless, i am not OK with data loss

oh wait, it's an NTFS partition ?

yes

why the (*�(*&$ did you go in and change the partition type?

I changed it

in the first place

Because the *(%@% linux didn't work

you should have left the partition type AS NTFS

DaHood, well.. why do you think this is the fault of selinux

SAM_theman, ...... you have to format a partition before you can mount it.

and then found out why you were unable to mount an NTFS partition properly

SAM_theman, you can't just magically set the partition type

are you sure it's a clean partition?
is there data on that partition?

nope

is it your windows drive?
ok so it's a clean partition

iot's empty
YUP

ok that's completely differenyt
do you want it to BE a linux partition?

theres no pron or crap on it
yes

ok then fdisk /dev/sdb

I want to use it so I can just put MY fedoa 7 dvd and install it from there

set the partition type to 83
save it

daMaestro, i originally had two HDDs in the system. this error occured when i had connected only one of them. now i connected the second one, rebooted and i am in
i am in

ok

DaHood, this is not because of selinux

then mke2fs -j /dev/sdb1

http://fedorasolved.org/post-install-solutions/add-new-hdd/

DaHood, this is because you didn't adjust your /etc/fstab before rebooting without the hardware attached
DaHood, basically.. whatever you removed was set to automagically mount... and when it was not found the system was allowing you to login to fix the error

THEN mount -t auto /dev/sdb1 /mnt/linuxextra (if you made that mount point earlier like I mentioned)

Ok these weird things are showing

you normally see the issue when a fsck fails to automagically run

ok details please, SAM_theman .. pastebin

daMaestro, probably you are right. but how could i edit it since it mounted the system in read-only mode?

DaHood, in your case.. you need to edit /etc/fstab and comment or remove the entries that refer to the device you are attempting to remove

http://pastebin.com/m1b5efb11

DaHood, you would just login and remout it
DaHood, mount -o re,remount /

ok one sec

damnit
DaHood, mount -o rw,remount /

whats strange about that
its clear english
giving you information

everything worked fine

When i dont have a disc in the drive, and i click on the drive in Computer, it tell me there is no media, but when there is a disc in the drive, and i double click on it, nothing happens, the icon is still there but nothing happens when i click it

o

now do this:

:-d

then mke2fs -j /dev/sdb1
THEN mount -t auto /dev/sdb1 /mnt/linuxextra (if you made that mount point earlier like I mentioned)

daMaestro, ah i thought i wouldn't be able to remount it. I should have tried, but there was the panic that hold me back

the first will make a journalling ext3 partition out of /dev/sdb1
the 2nd will mount it

daMaestro, thanks a lot

oops you did that already
duh

DaHood, sure

i made a very very bad decision today

If this doesn't work....
Allha

ext3 is a journal filesystem

so ext2

ext3 == ext2 + journal

ext2 = ext3 - journal

i should not have plugged in the 30 inch wide screen monitor that was meant for a permanent display somewhere else... just to test it.. on my desk

why not?
now you like it too much to give it up?
or .. it exploded.. ?

WebDragon, ding

heheh

|DrJef|, 2560x1600 2560x1600 2560x1600

zcat, 30inch ?

I sympathize -- I picked up a 22" 1680x1050 display a few months back and cannot live without it either

Samsung ?
I have a 22 widescreen

So any of you smarty pants, know why i need to mount my dvds as root to access it? Why cant gnome do it?

Acer AL2223W

ahh the sliver one?

not a single dead or stuck pixel either

lol it took me some time to get used to going back to a laptop myself.... I gave my big screen lcd to my daughter

well, a 30" is a little too heavy to get off the desk isn't it?

actually it's more of a gunmetal silver

hehe me either

what is the command to see the bios version?

dark

yeah I seen it

dmidecode, DaHood

gnome-mount -d /dev/dvd ?

AndyCap, lighter than the 21 inch crt it replaced :-

WebDragon, widescreen?

yeah

ssshh..

24" Dell here. but the 30" isn't that much more tempting. i could see if i was doing scientific visualization like |DrJef| ... then i could use the extra resolution, but 1920x1200 is good nuff (for 1080p)

AndyCap, i havent tried that, but it doesnt work from Computer

WebDragon, thanks

only bitch was having to track down the h/v sync values by hand in a world that doesn't have these values anywhere on the spec sheets

zcat, i just like having a desktop...the size of my...desktop

whoa 24" heh I only thought I had a big screen lcd

WebDragon, it worked

zcat, more room for lots of small data plotting windows

because Acer seems to think that in a world with auto detection no one will ever need to know those values

well, you don't really need the anymore in the world of LVD's

thx

You dont need to worry about sync values if your screen supports EDID

LCD's.

except when it doesn't work

now let me see if I can install f7

Services

so must be some really el-cheap-o screen

no DVI cable, only VGA and FC5 wouldn't autodetect the settings for it

still. ctf 1680 1050 60

DVI

I had to find out this shit manually crammed into a 640x480 space

I have DVI on fedora has no problem

yeah but I have no DVI PORTS on the computer

or ctf -r for reduced blanking

don't see the diffrence..
it still looks like crap to me
:-D

heh

dvi-vga , cga=dvi

sorry. cvt is the utilit

*vga
bbl

trust me I went through HOURS of diagnostics attempts before realizing that nothing short of divine intervention would have made it work automatically

GionnyBoss, autofs is running

not saying automatically. Saying without specs.

finally managed to find someone with a similar display and resolution and got his h/v values from him and then it worked
I'm hoping F7 does a better job so I don't have to go through that again
ancient Asus V7M-266 mobo with built-in GeForce2 MX chipset and nothing extra

cruiseoveride, I don't know then... I'm sorry. I hope someone else will know. Good luck

f7 has a much better feel to it

not even PCI-e

is F8 coming out pretty soon ?

GionnyBoss, thanks anyway

so you are probably right to assume so
lol

september?
I forget -- check the website for details

somehow I doubt you'll have much better luck with F7. :P perhaps nouveau driver.

cruiseoveride, your welcome

dunno -- but I got 'em written down this time

but lcd's are much easier than crt's

they still aren't perfect -- I wish I could get ahold of Acer and get the real values

the next display i buy will either be a 1cm thick OLED display, or some kind of VR headset.)

true, I'll give you that
VR headset with Compiz
shake your head and all the windows wobble

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